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01:06:44 PM Presentation: Tanana, Positive Train Control by the Alaska Railroad Corporation
02:30:36 PM Status Update on the Port Mackenzie Rail Extension
03:01:05 PM Adjourn
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by Alaska Railroad Corporation (ARRC)
- Status update: Pt. MacKenzie Rail Extension
by MatSu Borough
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
                         JOINT MEETING                                                                                        
            HOUSE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                           
            SENATE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                          
                        January 28, 2014                                                                                        
                           1:05 p.m.                                                                                            
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE TRANSPORTATION                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Peggy Wilson, Chair                                                                                             
 Representative Doug Isaacson, Vice Chair                                                                                       
 Representative Eric Feige                                                                                                      
 Representative Lynn Gattis                                                                                                     
 Representative Craig Johnson                                                                                                   
 Representative Bob Lynn                                                                                                        
 Representative Jonathan Kreiss-Tomkins                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATE TRANSPORTATION                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
 Senator Dennis Egan, Chair                                                                                                     
 Senator Fred Dyson, Vice Chair                                                                                                 
 Senator Anna Fairclough                                                                                                        
 Senator Hollis French                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
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HOUSE TRANSPORTATION                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
 All members present                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATE TRANSPORTATION                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
 Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION:  TANANA~ POSITIVE TRAIN CONTROL BY THE ALASKA                                                                     
RAILROAD CORPORATION                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STATUS UPDATE ON THE PORT MACKENZIE RAIL EXTENSION BY THE                                                                       
MATANUSKA-SUSITNA BOROUGH                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BILL O'LEARY, President & CEO                                                                                                   
Alaska Railroad Corporation (ARRC)                                                                                              
Department of Commerce, Community and Economic Development                                                                      
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented an Update on the Alaska Railroad                                                               
Corporation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CLARK HOPP, Vice-President                                                                                                      
Engineering                                                                                                                     
Alaska Railroad Corporation (ARRC)                                                                                              
Department of Commerce, Community and Economic Development                                                                      
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented an Alaska Railroad Update on the                                                               
Northern Rail Extension.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
EILEEN REILLY, Vice-President                                                                                                   
Engineering                                                                                                                     
Advanced Train Control Systems & Technology                                                                                     
Alaska Railroad Corporation (ARRC)                                                                                              
Department of Commerce, Community and Economic Development                                                                      
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented an Overview on the Alaska                                                                      
Railroad Corporation's Positive Train Control (PTC) project.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN MOOSEY, Manager                                                                                                            
Matanuska-Susitna Borough (MSB)                                                                                                 
Palmer, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided a status update on the Port                                                                     
MacKenzie Rail Extension.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
JOE PERKINS, Project Manager                                                                                                    
Port MacKenzie Rail Extension                                                                                                   
Matanuska-Susitna Borough                                                                                                       
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided a status update on the Port                                                                     
MacKenzie Rail Extension.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
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1:05 00 PM                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:05:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  PEGGY WILSON  called the  joint meeting  of the  House and                                                             
Senate Transportation  Standing Committees to order  at 1:05 p.m.                                                               
Representatives  Kreiss-Tomkins,  Feige,   Isaacson,  Gattis,  P.                                                               
Wilson and Senators  Dyson, Fairclough, and Egan  were present at                                                               
the call to  order.  Senator French and  Representatives Lynn and                                                               
Johnson arrived as the meeting was in progress.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
^Presentation:   Tanana,  Positive  Train Control  by the  Alaska                                                               
Railroad Corporation                                                                                                            
  Presentation:  Tanana, Positive Train Control by the Alaska                                                               
                      Railroad Corporation                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:06:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P. WILSON announced that  the first order of business would                                                               
be a Presentation:  Tanana,  Positive Train Control by the Alaska                                                               
Railroad Corporation.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:08:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BILL  O'LEARY,  President  &  CEO,  Alaska  Railroad  Corporation                                                               
(ARRC), Department of Commerce,  Community & Economic Development                                                               
(DCCED) introduced  himself and  his staff, Eileen  Reilly, Vice-                                                               
President  of  Advanced  Train Control  Systems  Technology,  and                                                               
Clark Hopp, Vice-President  of Engineering.  He  related that the                                                               
Matanuska-Susitna Borough  will provide an  overview on  the Port                                                               
MacKenzie Rail Extension Project.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:09:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. O'LEARY reviewed some quick  facts entitled, "Alaska Railroad                                                               
Quick  Facts," noting  the ARRC  management structure  has stayed                                                               
the  same  [slide  2].   He  reviewed  operating  statistics  and                                                               
employees, including  that number of passengers  traveling on the                                                               
Alaska  railroad  increased  to  approximately  500,000  and  the                                                               
railroad  hauled about  5.11 million  tons of  freight, which  is                                                               
down  from  approximately  7  million tons.    The  ARRC  employs                                                               
approximately  600  year-round employees,  reduced  significantly                                                               
from  its peak  in 2007-2008.   Approximately  75 percent  of its                                                               
employees are members of one of the ARRC's five unions.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:10:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. O'LEARY turned  to slide 3, entitled,  "ARRC Freight,", which                                                               
speaks to  the financial health of  the ARRC.  He  said the "ARRC                                                               
Freight"  graph shows  during 2008-2013  the  consistent year  to                                                               
year drop  in million  tons of freight.   Additionally,  the bulk                                                               
petroleum  figures  have fallen  markedly  -  dropping nearly  75                                                               
percent since 2003.   Typically, transport of  bulk petroleum has                                                               
provided the ARRC  year round steady business.   While the export                                                               
coal figures  - the greenish color  in the middle of  the slide -                                                               
experienced   significant  growth   in  2010-2011,   the  overall                                                               
transport is  about half of  the 2011 amount.   Additionally, the                                                               
railroad experienced  significant drops in gravel  hauls from the                                                               
Matanuska-Susitna valley to Anchorage, also  down from an earlier                                                               
high.   He  highlighted that  this slide  captures the  financial                                                               
issues  the  railroad has  faced,  in  particular, since  freight                                                               
represents 70 percent of the ARRC's revenue stream.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  O'LEARY   turned  to  slide  4   entitled,  "ARRC  Passenger                                                               
Service,"  and  reported  that  in   2013,  the  ARRC  enjoyed  a                                                               
significant  increase in  the number  of passengers  served, with                                                               
roughly half  of its passengers occupying  cruise partner coaches                                                               
-  coaches pulled  on  the same  train but  owned  by the  cruise                                                               
industry.   While passenger  service dropped in  2008 due  to the                                                               
recession, it has been slowly climbing since then.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:13:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  O'LEARY  mentioned  three  areas of  concern.    First,  the                                                               
aforementioned drop  in commercial freight activity;  second, the                                                               
Federal Transit  Administration's (FTA)  formula funds,  based on                                                               
the number  of passengers  and mileage,  have also  been reduced.                                                               
He reported  the ARRC is  eligible for  these funds by  virtue of                                                               
providing  year-round  passenger  service.   The  funds  are  not                                                               
insignificant, having  peaked at  over $35 million;  however, not                                                               
everyone  in  the  Congress understands  the  fund's  eligibility                                                               
requirements.   In  fact, the  ARRC "looks  different than  other                                                               
recipients" such  as the  Chicago Transit  Authority or  the Long                                                               
Island  Railroad,   so  the  ARRC  has   experienced  significant                                                               
difficulties in  obtaining its reauthorization.   For example, in                                                               
2012,  the  ARRC  survived,  although  the  railroad  experienced                                                               
significant  funding cuts.   More  specifically, federal  funding                                                               
was reduced  from $35 million  to $28 million, while  the federal                                                               
matching  fund requirement  doubled -  now  set at  20 percent  -                                                               
which has the effect of  reducing the ARRC's monies available for                                                               
projects.   The program  is due for  reauthorization in  2014 and                                                               
once again  the ARRC anticipates difficulties  in Washington D.C.                                                               
in obtaining reauthorization.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:15:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. O'LEARY recapped that the  ARRC has experienced reductions in                                                               
commercial activity,  with less federal formula  funds available.                                                               
Third,  the  federal  laws changed  for  positive  train  control                                                               
(PTC), which  will be  discussed later.   As  commercial activity                                                               
declined and federal funds diminished  - noting 50 percent of the                                                               
ARRC's operating  expenses related  to personnel  - the  ARRC was                                                               
forced  to undergo  another round  of personnel  cost reductions.                                                               
In fact,  these reductions  represent the  ARRC's third  round of                                                               
personnel  cuts  since 2009,  which  has  cumulatively led  to  a                                                               
reduction of  300 positions.   Although  the ARRC  used attrition                                                               
for  some  reductions,  30  people   were  ultimately  laid  off.                                                               
Overall management positions represented  about 37 percent of the                                                               
reduction.    The ARRC  also  restructured  its organization  and                                                               
streamlined  its operations  during this  time.   While the  ARRC                                                               
maintained  its overall  "outward"  appearance, the  machinations                                                               
happened internally inside the organization.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:18:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  O'LEARY turned  to  slide 8  entitled,  "Net Income,"  which                                                               
provides an  overview of the  financial history, noting  the ARRC                                                               
was  able  to reduce  costs  and  remain steady  despite  reduced                                                               
revenue.  He estimated the current  net income in the $14 million                                                               
range.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:19:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KREISS-TOMKINS  asked for more information  on the                                                               
unexpected revenue "bumps" and  whether positive passenger trends                                                               
will continue.  He further  asked whether Mr. O'Leary anticipated                                                               
any new large freight customers for the ARRC.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. O'LEARY  explained the  unexpected revenue  in 2013.   First,                                                               
the petroleum refinery  in North Pole shuttered up  the second of                                                               
its  three crude  towers and  while the  ARRC was  unsure of  the                                                               
impact, ultimately the petroleum impacts  were less than the ARRC                                                               
anticipated.     Second,   the   ARRC  successfully   transported                                                               
generators for  the Matanuska-Susitna Electric plant,  which also                                                               
represented   unexpected  freight.     Finally,   the  ARRC   had                                                               
unexpected strength in the ARRC's  interline barge service, which                                                               
supports oil field  activities.  For example, an  oil company can                                                               
order  pipe  in  Houston  and   the  freight  can  be  seamlessly                                                               
transported to  the North Slope by  being:  loaded on  rail cars,                                                               
transported  to Seattle,  rolled  off/rolled on  via ARRC's  rail                                                               
barge to  Whittier, rolled  off at  Whittier and  transferred via                                                               
rail to  Fairbanks, and finally,  be transported by truck  to the                                                               
North Slope.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:22:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. O'LEARY remarked that the  ARRC is "bullish" on the passenger                                                               
side.   He characterized the rail  as a fabulous way  to showcase                                                               
Alaska.  He anticipated passenger  service will continue to grow,                                                               
noting the  ARRC had not  anticipated the positive  growth trends                                                               
that occurred this year.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. O'LEARY, in response to  a question on freight, answered yes;                                                               
the ARRC is hopeful about  additional freight hauls.  One primary                                                               
focus  the management  team has  embraced  has been  to grow  the                                                               
ARRC's revenue.  He reported that  the ARRC has cut an inordinate                                                               
amount   of  operational   costs,  has   reached  the   point  of                                                               
diminishing  returns,  so  any   additional  cuts  will  be  more                                                               
difficult.  Right now the organization  must focus on growth.  He                                                               
said he is  fond of the phrase,  "We're going to try  to grow our                                                               
way  out of  this."    He reported  the  ARRC aggressively  seeks                                                               
revenue, with  an eye  on assisting  any significant  projects in                                                               
the state.  Since the  state has limited infrastructure, the ARRC                                                               
represents a  key piece, so any  major project that will  occur -                                                               
outside Southeast Alaska - will need the ARRC.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:23:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DYSON  understood the ARRC obtains  a significant portion                                                               
of its  income from real estate  holdings.  He asked  for further                                                               
clarification.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. O'LEARY  gave a brief  history of  railroad lands.   In 1985,                                                               
when the railroad was purchased  by the state, it received 36,000                                                               
acres of land along with  the rail infrastructure.  Approximately                                                               
half its land is used for  rail operations, but the other half is                                                               
available  for other  commercial  uses.   The  advantages of  the                                                               
ARRC's real  estate holdings is that  it can as a  buffer for the                                                               
inevitable business cycles since the  land can be leased, permits                                                               
can be  issued, plus the  railroad has significant  dock holdings                                                               
in Whittier  & Seward.  He  reported that the ARRC's  real estate                                                               
is significant and represented $17 to $18 million in 2013.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DYSON expressed some disappointment  that Mr. O'Leary had                                                               
not previously mentioned  the income stream from the  leases.  He                                                               
recalled that  a significant amount  of the freight  the railroad                                                               
hauls is dependent on jet fuel  and coal for export.  He inquired                                                               
about any trends for the  aforementioned freight commodities.  He                                                               
further  asked  whether  the railroad  anticipated  hauling  more                                                               
freight and coal for exports.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  O'LEARY  responded that  the  ARRC  works closely  with  its                                                               
customers.   For example,  he advised that  recently spent  a day                                                               
meeting with Usibelli  Coal Mine, Inc.; however,  the coal market                                                               
currently  is  suffering from  oversupply  in  the world  market.                                                               
While  coal  needs still  exist,  additional  coal producers  and                                                               
subsequent production has kept the  prices depressed to the point                                                               
that  Alaska coal  isn't moving.   The  ARRC does  not anticipate                                                               
this changing  in the next  year or  so, the railroad  hopes coal                                                               
freight will increase thereafter.   With respect to jet fuel, the                                                               
ARRC  works   closely  with  Flint  Hills   Resources,  Inc.  and                                                               
typically meets with  senior management once a year.   He related                                                               
numerous aspects exist  for that market, depending  on the demand                                                               
from AIAS, but also on  supplies barged in from external sources.                                                               
He recalled  that the  demand level has  been steady,  similar to                                                               
last  year's level,  but certainly  demand has  not been  spiking                                                               
upward.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:27:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DYSON  said  several  members   are  encouraged  by  the                                                               
potential natural  gas development  in Cook  Inlet.   He remarked                                                               
that the state  hopes to supply natural gas to  Fairbanks via one                                                               
of  several  methods,  for  example,  by  transporting  liquefied                                                               
natural gas (LNG) or compressed natural  gas (CNG).  He asked for                                                               
the preliminary economics of potential rail transport.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. O'LEARY responded  that he has held  discussions with various                                                               
parties,   for   example,   the  ARRC   presented   options   and                                                               
qualifications to  the Alaska  Industrial Development  and Export                                                               
Authority's  board several  weeks  ago  regarding the  railroad's                                                               
capabilities.  He characterized the  railroad as being a "rolling                                                               
pipeline."  He  offered his belief that the  railroad can provide                                                               
an interim or long-range solution with respect to natural gas.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:28:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DYSON asked how long it  would take the ARRC to and build                                                               
or buy rail cars, if needed to respond to industry's needs.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. O'LEARY  responded that he held  preliminary discussions with                                                               
car  builders  for  either  tankers  or  International  Standards                                                               
Organization  (ISO)  containers  -   noting  a  significant  cost                                                               
differential between  the two  - and  the backlog  and subsequent                                                               
delay would  range from  12 months  to 18  months.   He concluded                                                               
that  the  ARRC  is ready  to  go.    In  further response  to  a                                                               
question, he answered  that he was unsure of a  source of current                                                               
available cars, but none are available in Alaska.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:29:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON recognized the  President/CEO of the ARRC                                                               
hails from Fairbanks.  He said  he introduced HB 271, which would                                                               
provide $2  million for a feasibility study via the University of                                                               
Alaska to  construct a railroad between  Fairbanks and Deadhorse.                                                               
He asked  for further  clarification on  any of  ARRC's marketing                                                               
efforts, for example, whether the  ARRC has traveled to Asia with                                                               
customers, such  as Usibelli Coal  Mine, Inc. to  solicit freight                                                               
customers.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. O'LEARY  answered that  the ARRC  is interested  in expanding                                                               
its  marketing.    He  recalled  that  the  ARRC  has  previously                                                               
traveled with its customers or  potential customers to detail the                                                               
ARRC's  capabilities;  however,  it  has not  recently  done  so.                                                               
However,  the  ARRC  has  had   a  renewed  emphasis  on  growing                                                               
revenues, in particular, freight.   He advised Senator Dyson that                                                               
he had not intended to  be disingenuous about real estate leasing                                                               
revenues but omitted them in  this update, since leasing has been                                                               
a  consistent revenue  performer.   He assured  members that  the                                                               
ARRC takes its  customer service very seriously.   He highlighted                                                               
that ne  way the  railroad can  grow its  business is  to provide                                                               
superlative  service  to  existing  customers and  he  hoped  the                                                               
railroad   can  generate   new   customers,  including   shipping                                                               
liquefied natural  gas (LNG) to  serving other big  projects with                                                               
transportation needs.   For example,  the railroad  has discussed                                                               
the  potential  Susitna-Watana   Hydroelectric  project  and  the                                                               
Alaska Gasline  Development Corporation (AGDC) about  the gasline                                                               
activities with AIDEA and Alaska Energy Authority (AEA).                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ISAACSON expressed  gratitude  that  the ARRC  is                                                               
interested  in growing  freight in  Alaska.   For example,  North                                                               
Pole has a second refinery  seeking rail access, especially since                                                               
the refinery  would like to  expand its operation.   He expressed                                                               
hope that the ARRC  will keep the refinery in mind  as a means of                                                               
potential growth.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:33:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH  asked for the economic  advantage of transporting                                                               
by  rail versus  by truck.    For example,  he asked  for a  cost                                                               
comparison  between rail  and trucking  costs to  transport 1,000                                                               
widgets.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. O'LEARY  responded that the  ARRC has a  distinct competitive                                                               
advantage in transporting heavy  or awkward freight, for example,                                                               
transporting  large quantities  of coal  since it  would take  an                                                               
unfathomable number of trucks to  transport the coal the railroad                                                               
currently transports and it would  also place considerable stress                                                               
on the highway system.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  O'LEARY,  after consulting  with  Ms.  Reilly, responded  it                                                               
would take 2.5 trucks per rail  car of freight.  He reported that                                                               
if the  ARRC operated  three trains  of export  coal a  week from                                                               
Anchorage to Seward  with 70 to 80 cars per  train, it would take                                                               
about 600 trucks to transport the coal.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:36:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DYSON suggested it could be up to a 10-to-1 cost ratio.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  O'LEARY added  it would  also create  congestion and  safety                                                               
issues, not  to mention the  sheer volume of trucks  necessary to                                                               
transport the coal.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:36:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CLARK   HOPP,   Vice-President,  Engineering,   Alaska   Railroad                                                               
Corporation (ARRC), Department of  Commerce, Community & Economic                                                               
Development  (DCCED)   drew  attention   to  slide   8  entitled,                                                               
"Northern Rail Extension," depicting a  photo of the Tanana River                                                               
crossing  that shows  the  "grand  scale" of  the  project.   The                                                               
bridge  is nearly  complete and  it clearly  shows the  temporary                                                               
structure  to   the  right   of  the   bridge  that   allows  the                                                               
construction to occur.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:37:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOPP turned to slide  9 entitled the "Northern Rail Extension                                                               
4 Phase Project,"  and related the project's scope  as an 80-mile                                                               
rail  extension   from  North  Pole   to  Delta  Junction.     He                                                               
characterized  the  project  as  a mega  project,  with  Phase  1                                                               
consisting of  building the  bridge across  the Tanana  River, as                                                               
well as  providing support development  for the bridge.   Phase 2                                                               
would  connect the  railroad from  North  Pole to  the bridge  at                                                               
Tanana River  and Phase 3  would construct  30 miles of  rail and                                                               
connect the Tanana  River Crossing training area  to the Donnelly                                                               
training area.   Phase 4  would construct  38 miles of  rail from                                                               
the Donnelly Training Area to Delta Junction.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:38:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HOPP  turned  to  slide   10  entitled  the  "Northern  Rail                                                               
Extension  Project Benefits,"  and outlined  the primary  project                                                               
benefits, which includes increased  passenger and freight service                                                               
opportunities, redundancy in the  transportation system, and rail                                                               
connections  between  joint  bases -  Elmendorf/Richardson,  Fort                                                               
Greely,  Fort Wainwright,  and Eielson  AFB.   Additionally,  the                                                               
rail  would connect  to three  major Alaska  ports and  provide a                                                               
strategic benefit to the military  to the Port of Anchorage, Port                                                               
of Whittier, and the Port of  Seward.  Further, the project could                                                               
enhance  potential regional  tourism by  expanding its  passenger                                                               
service, as well as provide  infrastructure for regional resource                                                               
development  potential.   Finally,  the  Northern Rail  Extension                                                               
project offers  the first piece  to connect Alaska's  railroad to                                                               
the Lower 48 via Canada.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:40:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE  noted  the   Salcha  Bridge  Tanana  River                                                               
Crossing project.   He said  the company responsible for  this is                                                               
Kiewit [Corporation],  who has been  bringing this project  in on                                                               
time and on budget.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOPP  agreed.   He highlighted the  Salcha Bridge  project as                                                               
the longest bridge in Alaska,  at 3,300 feet, which also includes                                                               
a 10,000-foot  levee system.   As a byproduct, one  major benefit                                                               
would  be  the flood  annenuation  to  Salcha  as well  as  flood                                                               
relief.  The  project estimated cost at  $188.2 million, includes                                                               
an $84 million  in state appropriations and $104.2  from the U.S.                                                               
Department  of  Defense  (DOD).   As  previously  mentioned,  the                                                               
project is  on budget, on  schedule, and is  due to wrap  up this                                                               
summer.    Finally,  he  emphasized  that  the  project  provides                                                               
critical infrastructure for the  U.S. military presence in Alaska                                                               
by providing year-round vehicle access  to the Joint Pacific Area                                                               
Range Complex  - a very strategic  complex for the military.   He                                                               
related  his understanding  that this  area provides  the largest                                                               
unencumbered   airspace    for   ground   training,    which   he                                                               
characterized  as  a  potentially  world-class  facility.    This                                                               
bridge  will help  provide the  first piece  to helping  the U.S.                                                               
military achieve that goal.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:42:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HOPP  turned to  slide  12,  entitled "Port  MacKenzie  Rail                                                               
Extension."   He  related that  the ARRC  is partnering  with the                                                               
Matanuska-Susitna  Borough  (MSB)  on  the  Port  MacKenzie  Rail                                                               
Extension.   He lauded the  partnership and  teamwork experienced                                                               
with the MSB/ARRC partnership.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOPP referred to slide  13 entitled the "Fairbanks North Pole                                                               
Realignment" project  and reported that the  Environmental Impact                                                               
Statement  (EIS) analysis  has been  completed for  Phase 1.   He                                                               
detailed the scope  that includes realignment of  the railroad at                                                               
downtown North Pole  - the Eielson branch -  which will eliminate                                                               
as many as  nine at-grade crossings.  The  Richardson Highway at-                                                               
grade  crossing  would  become a  grade-separated  crossing  with                                                               
tremendous benefits  to North  Pole.   He said  the environmental                                                               
impact finding  of "no significant  impact" means the  project is                                                               
shovel-ready, although  some additional  right-of-way procurement                                                               
will be needed.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:44:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DYSON  remarked he is  a great fan  of the railroad.   He                                                               
related his  understanding that historically  the ARRC  was built                                                               
first and roads  followed, but often the railroad  is expected to                                                               
solve the  at-grade issues.   He  appreciated the  ARRC's concern                                                               
for safety and asked for comments.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOPP agreed with the  characterization; however, the railroad                                                               
understands that as an asset of  the state it must cooperate with                                                               
other   transportation   entities,   such   as   the   DOT&PF   &                                                               
municipalities and  it attempts to  find ways to work  with them.                                                               
He reported that the railroad  continues to work with communities                                                               
and DOT&PF  on opportunities and  funding to  separate crossings.                                                               
He pointed out  successes along the Parks  Highway corridor, with                                                               
removal  of many  at-grade crossings,  although  many more  still                                                               
need to be  separated.  Currently, the railroad  has been holding                                                               
discussions with  the DOT&PF on  construction crossings  for next                                                               
summer on the Parks Highway corridor and in the North Pole area.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:46:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DYSON asked for any local government fund participation.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOPP  answered that  he cannot  recall any  local funds.   In                                                               
response to a  question, he answered that he did  not believe the                                                               
levee is depicted in the photograph on slide 11.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:47:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ISAACSON  referred to  the  state  land at  North                                                               
Pole,  which  will receive  another  overpass  and asked  if  the                                                               
railroad  has  coordinated  its   effort  with  DOT&PF  to  avoid                                                               
additional  cost   when  funding   is  available  for   the  road                                                               
realignment.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOPP answered yes; the  aforementioned overpass work at Moose                                                               
Creek continues and will maintain  the existing access to the air                                                               
force base  but it  does not  preclude the  new alignment  to the                                                               
Tanana River  Bridge.   He reiterated the  point of  the overpass                                                               
represents a divergence of a new  alignment to the bridge, but it                                                               
does not adversely impact the future road alignment.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON remarked that he was reassured.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:48:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KREISS-TOMKINS asked  for  any increased  freight                                                               
tonnage  the  ARRC  anticipates  once  all  four  phases  of  the                                                               
Northern Rail Extension project has been completed.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HOPP  explained that  the  Northern  Rail Extension  Project                                                               
began   with  the   question  of   whether  a   better  mode   of                                                               
transportation  could serve  Central  Alaska and  if Fort  Greely                                                               
should be served.  The  University of Alaska Fairbanks considered                                                               
these   questions,   keeping  in   mind   the   hazards  of   the                                                               
transportation  corridor.     Additionally,  associated  economic                                                               
studies   have   been   undertaken  to   identify   any   freight                                                               
opportunities.  Although  he did not recall  the specific freight                                                               
tonnage figures, he offered to  research the matter and report to                                                               
the committee.   The  ARRC identified the  military as  a primary                                                               
business  opportunity,   particularly  since  the   project  will                                                               
address one  concern the military  has had on mobility,  which is                                                               
to provide rapid transportation from  the training grounds to the                                                               
Port of Anchorage to meet  the military deadline of reporting for                                                               
duty within 72 hours after orders are issued.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:51:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. O'LEARY  asked to move  to the Positive Train  Control (PTC),                                                               
which he  referred to as  the ultimate unfunded  federal project.                                                               
He  explained that  this project  consists of  approximately $153                                                               
million  of development  work and  approximately  $64 million  in                                                               
railroad  expenditures to  date  from federal  funds or  internal                                                               
funds.   An  additional  $19.1 million  was  appropriated by  the                                                               
legislature last  year to keep  the project moving,  although the                                                               
ARRC  still lacks  $70  million.   He advised  that  the ARRC  is                                                               
requesting $40.8  million this legislative session  for two years                                                               
of funding for the PTC.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:52:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
EILEEN  REILLY,   Vice-President,  Engineering,   Advanced  Train                                                               
Control Systems & Technology,  Alaska Railroad Corporation (ARRC)                                                               
introduced herself  and offered to  initially play a  short video                                                               
to describe the project.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:58:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. REILLY turned to slide  14 entitled "Positive Train Control,"                                                               
and  stated   inter-operations  were  mentioned  in   the  video,                                                               
primarily  because  39  railway companies  are  instituting  PTC.                                                               
Under the federal  Rail Safety Improvement Act of  2008, the ARRC                                                               
must  purchase  and  integrate its  equipment  to  implement  the                                                               
mandatory  PTC.   Some larger  rail  companies have  subsequently                                                               
developed their  own equipment;  however, the  ARRC is  small and                                                               
unable to do so.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:59:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  REILLY  turned to  slide  16  entitled, "Why  Mandatory  PTC                                                               
Regulations?"  She explained that PTC  is required as a result of                                                               
train collisions, such as the  one that occurred on September 12,                                                               
2008,  when a  Chatsworth,  California Metrolink  train passed  a                                                               
"red" signal while  the engineer was texting and  collided with a                                                               
freight train, resulting in 25  fatalities, 130 serious injuries,                                                               
and $200  million in costs.   She reported that a  week later the                                                               
Rail  Safety Improvement  Act  of  2008 mandated  PTC.   The  Act                                                               
requires any  entity providing regularly scheduled  inter-city or                                                               
commuter   rail   must   comply.      Since   Alaska   transports                                                               
approximately  500,000  passengers  annually, it  must  implement                                                               
PTC, she  said, noting some of  the ARRC's large trains  carry up                                                               
to 1,200 passengers.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:01:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  REILLY turned  to  slide 19  entitled  "2010 PTC  Regulation                                                               
Requirements."    The 2010  regulations  require  PTC systems  to                                                               
prevent train-to-train collisions  by enforcing authority limits,                                                               
collisions  caused by  over  speed  derailments, incursions  into                                                               
established work zone  limits, and train movement  through a main                                                               
line in an  improper position.  She turned to  slide 20 entitled,                                                               
"December 1,  2013 Accident" noting  a collision occurred  in the                                                               
Bronx, New York  City, resulting in 4 fatalities  and 63 injuries                                                               
when  a  passenger  train  derailed.     She  reported  that  the                                                               
aforementioned  video  showed  people  working  on  other  rails,                                                               
noting that  in October 2013,  the rail industry  experienced the                                                               
highest ever  number of maintenance  fatalities.   She emphasized                                                               
the  importance  of protecting  workers.    She stated  that  the                                                               
project costs to implement the  system to stop trains and prevent                                                               
train-to-train  collisions   are  extremely   high.     It  takes                                                               
considerable  time for  an engineer/conductor  to  stop a  train,                                                               
often taking up to 10,000 feet  of rail.  The ARRC had considered                                                               
limiting the  upgrade to only  the switches most often  used, but                                                               
under the federal mandate all railroad switches must be upgrade.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:03:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. REILLY,  referring to the  photograph on slide 20,  noted the                                                               
National  Transportation  Safety Board  added  PTC  to its  "most                                                               
wanted list" in 2012 due to  the number of train accidents. While                                                               
the  Bronx  accident  investigation hasn't  been  finalized,  the                                                               
likely outcome is that the  engineer "nodded off," which the NTSB                                                               
considers to be  a human error.  She offered  her belief that the                                                               
PTC  won't address  every incident,  but it  can help  with human                                                               
factors;  however,  it's  essential  to keep  the  ARRC  in  good                                                               
repair.   Under  PTC,  if an  engineer/conductor  does not  react                                                               
timely  to whistle-blowing  requirements, the  engineer/conductor                                                               
is  warned,  and subsequently  the  PTC  system stops  the  train                                                               
automatically if  the engineer/conductor  still does  not comply.                                                               
She reported that federal funds  have helped repair the rail, and                                                               
improve  safety, although  the PTC  system will  not prevent  all                                                               
accidents.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:05:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  REILLY brought  up ramifications  under  slide 22  entitled,                                                               
"What if ARRC  does not comply?"  She explained  that the federal                                                               
law  imposes penalties  for non-compliance  with the  maximum FRA                                                               
fine  at  $16,000  per  day  per  violation  for  each  "willful"                                                               
violation.  Additionally,  she reported that the  FRA rail safety                                                               
pertains to "persons" so both  the corporation and the individual                                                               
will be subject  to penalties.  In response to  Chair P. Wilson's                                                               
question  on  the  percentage of  revenue  derived,  Mr.  O'Leary                                                               
answered  in 2013,  $25  million  of the  $145  million in  gross                                                               
revenue was for passenger service.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:07:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  O'LEARY addressed  the implications  for  loss of  passenger                                                               
service outlined on slides 23-24],  stating the slides assess the                                                               
impacts of  a loss  of passenger  service if  the ARRC  no longer                                                               
provided service.  Since the  ARRC couldn't assess the impacts on                                                               
partner  entities, such  as the  cruise  companies, the  McDowell                                                               
Group  conducted a  study for  the  ARRC.   It turned  out to  be                                                               
significant, such  that the McDowell Group  identified 2,000 jobs                                                               
connected  to   the  railroad's  passenger  services,   with  the                                                               
multiplier  effect bringing  it to  approximately $50  million in                                                               
labor income, which includes year-round  and seasonal jobs at the                                                               
railroad, as  well as  seasonal passenger  service jobs  and non-                                                               
resident passengers.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:09:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.   O'LEARY  emphasized   that  discontinuation   of  passenger                                                               
services  would result  in a  significant impact,  in particular,                                                               
since job  income and spending  would be severely curtailed.   He                                                               
highlighted  other concerns.   The  ARRC receives  FTA funds  for                                                               
providing  year-round  scheduled   passenger  service  and  these                                                               
federal  funds would  be at  risk  or eliminated  if service  was                                                               
discontinued.  If  the same number of passengers  could no longer                                                               
be  transported  by  rail,  it would  take  3,600  motor  coaches                                                               
traveling on the  Parks and Seward highways  to provide alternate                                                               
transportation.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:10:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  REILLY turned  to slide  26 entitled,  "ARRC Facts,"  noting                                                               
that  under PTC,  525  miles,  54 locomotives  and  cab cars,  36                                                               
signal control  points, and 108  switches must be upgraded.   She                                                               
reported  that  72  miles  of  tracks  are  operated  by  signals                                                               
although  64 switches  are currently  in  the "dark  area."   She                                                               
explained the safety process trains  use to obtain authority from                                                               
the dispatcher to travel between  railway points, such as between                                                               
certain milepost signs, and how that  differs under the PTC.  She                                                               
noted some  difficulties the  railroad must  contend with  due to                                                               
Alaska's  harsh  climate,  as  well   as  the  limits  of  Global                                                               
Positioning  Systems (GPS),  and  the high  cost  to upgrade  and                                                               
integrate the  new system.   The ARRC  continues to seek  ways to                                                               
reduce costs  in low-density  areas to  implement the  PTC, while                                                               
still protecting the trains, she said.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:15:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. REILLY  turned to  slides 27-28 entitled,  "Origin of  PTC at                                                               
ARRC"  and current  PTC Implementation  Status."   She  explained                                                               
more  details about  the tracking  system, which  is designed  to                                                               
ensure  train position  and  safety is  integrated  into the  new                                                               
system.   She characterized the  PTC system  as being one  of the                                                               
largest  research and  development  projects  for integration  of                                                               
equipment.   She pointed out  the aforementioned 64  switches are                                                               
difficult to equip.  She reported  that the ARRC has been working                                                               
with the  Federal Railway Administration  (FRA) for  an exemption                                                               
on manual  switch monitoring on  its low-passenger  density track                                                               
during  the approval  process for  the  PTC Implementation  plan.                                                               
She  highlighted that  could cost  $14.7 million  to upgrade  the                                                               
system  if the  ARRC  is  unsuccessful in  its  efforts, but  the                                                               
exemption was "looking pretty good" as of a week ago.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:17:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  REILLY turned  to the  slide  entitled, "PTC  Implementation                                                               
Schedule:   and PTC  Deadline Extension  Status," and  pointed to                                                               
the green  line that  depicts the  schedule.   The ARRC  does not                                                               
anticipate receiving  the final funding  until 2018.   Until then                                                               
the railroad will  operate in a revenue demonstration  mode.  The                                                               
current deadline  for implementation of upgrades  is December 31,                                                               
2015; however,  the ARRC and  other Lower 48 railroads  have been                                                               
working on  extensions.  She  related her understanding  that the                                                               
FRA  will  not fine  railroads  that  demonstrate a  "good  faith                                                               
effort"  to  implement  PTC,  but  if not,  the  ARRC  and  other                                                               
railways will be subject to fines.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:18:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. O'LEARY turned  to slide 31 entitled  "Positive Train Control                                                               
Funding  1997-2018" which  highlighted funding  for the  project.                                                               
The  largest  pie  segment   represents  the  ARRC's  internally-                                                               
generated  funds and  federal funding  received during  the 1997-                                                               
2013  timeframe   totaling  approximately   $64  million.     The                                                               
legislature appropriated $19.1 million in  FY 2014 and the ARRC's                                                               
FY 2015 is $40.8 million.  The two-year budget request for 2015-                                                                
2016  is necessary  to provide  for long-lead-time  items and  to                                                               
obtain efficiencies  in procurement activities.   He estimated an                                                               
additional $28.9 million will be  needed in 2017-2018 to complete                                                               
the  project.   He  emphasized  that  besides the  implementation                                                               
funds, an additional  $5-6 million is not included  in the chart,                                                               
but will  be necessary to  provide PTC operation  and maintenance                                                               
(M&O)  funds.    The  ARRC   has  not  requested  the  additional                                                               
aforementioned funding  since the  railroad hopes to  continue to                                                               
grow and generate funds to be able absorb the M&O costs.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  O'LEARY  related that  the  final  slides provide  the  same                                                               
information in different ways -  by highlighting expenditures and                                                               
commitments - and include a  breakout of anticipated expenditures                                                               
for the $70 million budget request for 2015-2018.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:22:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. O'LEARY  reported another matter,  that the ARRC has  its own                                                               
reality show  developed in  conjunction with  Destination America                                                               
entitled,  "Railroad Alaska."    Six television  shows have  been                                                               
produced and  began airing in  November.  He emphasized  that the                                                               
program  became  the  highest   rated  show  on  the  Destination                                                               
Channel.   The program  showcases the  difficulty of  operating a                                                               
railroad  under  the extreme  conditions  in  Alaska, although  a                                                               
considerable  portion  of the  program  is  devoted to  the  more                                                               
colorful "off-grid"  characters.  He  reported that the  ARRC has                                                               
been holding internal discussions on  whether to produce a second                                                               
season.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:23:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FAIRCLOUGH  asked a series  of financial questions.   She                                                               
emphasized one  ongoing concern  is that the  PTC system  lacks a                                                               
human  being  override of  the  automated  controls.   Her  major                                                               
concern  stems   from  situations  that  could   arise,  such  as                                                               
avalanche  or seismic  events.   She  has been  assured that  the                                                               
system  allows the  engineer/conductor  to move  into reverse  or                                                               
move forward.  While she  understands the desire to prevent human                                                               
error,  she  concluded that  sometimes  it's  preferable to  have                                                               
human beings assess the situation,  since they can see situations                                                               
differently than computers.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  FAIRCLOUGH described  an incident  she experienced  when                                                               
driving her car  equipped with an automatic braking  system.  The                                                               
system misread  the conditions  and began  automatically braking.                                                               
She  discovered she  was  not  able to  override  the system  and                                                               
accelerate to stop her skid, but  luckily she was able to control                                                               
her vehicle.   Her own  experience with automated  safety devices                                                               
has  led  her to  the  aforementioned  concerns, particularly  in                                                               
instances in  which an engineer/conductor  knows the  solution is                                                               
either to  accelerate or  reverse the train,  but must  fight the                                                               
system to  do so.   She suggested the  [Transportation Committee]                                                               
chairs  may  wish to  write  a  letter  to the  federal  agencies                                                               
addressing the  necessity for human override  capabilities in PTC                                                               
systems.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:26:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. REILLY clarified  that the PTC's computer  system is limited.                                                               
It can  warn the engineer/conductor  and then stop the  train for                                                               
non-response.  She reiterated that  PTC does not drive the train,                                                               
but it will keep the train  out of some situations, such as going                                                               
too fast  or going  past an "authority"  and thereby  encounter a                                                               
work crew  or another train.   She offered to  provide additional                                                               
information to  provide assurances  that the dispatcher  will not                                                               
issue  an "authority"  that  ends in  a slide  zone,  as well  as                                                               
offering to identify  other PTC system protections.   She pointed                                                               
out the limitations  trains have that are different  from cars or                                                               
trucks, such  that trains  cannot pick up  speed or  stop quickly                                                               
due to  the overall weight and  length of trains.   She concluded                                                               
that the automated  technology is quite different  for trains and                                                               
cars.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:28:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KREISS-TOMKINS said  he has  followed PTC  at the                                                               
federal level;  however, after  viewing today's  presentation, he                                                               
is  amazed one  accident could  create $8  billion in  regulatory                                                               
costs as  well as the substantially  increase operating liability                                                               
for railroads across America.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. REILLY cautioned  that her presentation only  lists the final                                                               
accident prior  to the PTC  mandate; however,  she has a  list of                                                               
accidents and  the reasons that led  to the PTC being  the number                                                               
one priority of the National  Transportation Safety Board (NTSB).                                                               
She  acknowledged  the  railroad   industry  is  relatively  safe                                                               
compared  to  any  other  mode of  transportation.    Still,  she                                                               
recalled  the 2005  Graniteville,  South  Carolina rail  disaster                                                               
resulting in a chlorine spill,  that killed 9 people, injured 250                                                               
people and  required evacuation  of approximately  [5,400] people                                                               
for several weeks.  In that  situation, the crash resulted from a                                                               
train going through  a switch aligned in  the incorrect position.                                                               
She  identified  the  overarching  goal as  being  improved  rail                                                               
safety.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON wondered  if the $100 million  in film tax                                                               
credits could be appropriated to the railroad for safety.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
^Status update on the Port MacKenzie Rail Extension                                                                             
       Status update on the Port MacKenzie Rail Extension                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
2:30:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P. WILSON  announced the next order of business  would be a                                                               
status update on the Port MacKenzie Rail Extension.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:31:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN   MOOSEY,   Manager,    Matanuska-Susitna   Borough   (MSB),                                                               
introduced himself  and Joe  Perkins, the  project engineer.   He                                                               
reported  that  the  Port MacKenzie  Rail  Extension  project  is                                                               
three-fifths  completed.   The first  slide  of his  presentation                                                               
shows a photograph taken in  November 2012 that depicts the first                                                               
cargo ship leaving Port MacKenzie-  loaded with 800 tons of scrap                                                               
metal, which subsequently traveled  directly from Alaska to South                                                               
Korea.  He  reported that this route will  save 10 transportation                                                               
days  over  the  typical  route from  Alaska  to  Seattle,  which                                                               
results in significant savings.   He turned to the slide entitled                                                               
"Only port  in Alaska with  large (14 sq. mile)  staging, storage                                                               
and industrial  area," and informed  members that  Port MacKenzie                                                               
is the largest port in the  state encompassing 14 square miles or                                                               
9,000 acres.   The port is  absent any conflicts with  other uses                                                               
or residential areas, he said.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:33:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MOOSEY  turned to  the slide  entitled, "Upland  lease lots,"                                                               
noting that  the port  has the capability  to unload  pipe, along                                                               
with an area to  coat it and reload it to ship  north by rail for                                                               
use in the proposed gas pipeline.   He then referred to the slide                                                               
entitled  "Bulk Resources,"  and  advised that  the  port has  an                                                               
opportunity  to  work  with  timber  companies  for  transporting                                                               
timber.  The  next slide shows the 100 industrial  railcar loop -                                                               
the   largest  in   the  state   -  which   allows  for   staging                                                               
infrastructure  for  quick  delivery  to  support  coal  resource                                                               
development.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:34:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MOOSEY   reiterated  that  exports  can   travel  from  Port                                                               
MacKenzie  to   Asia  representing  considerable   time  savings.                                                               
Referring  to the  slide  entitled, "A  project  cargo Port,"  he                                                               
explained  that the  port would  reduce transportation  costs for                                                               
project  cargo  for  Alaska's  largest   projects,  such  as  the                                                               
proposed  natural gas  pipeline  or  the proposed  Susitna-Watana                                                               
dam.    He emphasized  the  importance  of the  port's  strategic                                                               
location  on the  water with  rail access.   The  slide entitled,                                                               
"Imports,"  highlights  the  route from  Port  MacKenzie  through                                                               
Houston to  Fairbanks, which is especially  important to Interior                                                               
Alaska, he said.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.   MOOSEY  referred   to  the   next  slide   entitled,  "Fuel                                                               
shipments," and highlighted this  as the Port MacKenzie's biggest                                                               
success.  The  Central Alaska Energy (CAE) has been  working on a                                                               
6.9 million  gallon fuel tank  farm - a $15  million construction                                                               
project funded  by AIDEA.   He  reported that  to date,  the bids                                                               
have been let and the  project is scheduled to begin construction                                                               
in May  2014.   Additionally, the  project right-of-way  has been                                                               
completed.  He emphasized that the  MSB has been working with CAE                                                               
on a tank farm  for the past two years and  as the Port MacKenzie                                                               
Rail Extension project progresses,  that investors have expressed                                                               
strong  interest  since  they  recognize   the  rail  project  is                                                               
imminent.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:36:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MOOSEY, referring  to the  slide entitled,  "project cargo,"                                                               
pointed out the MSB has  been working on several areas, including                                                               
projects  to transport  timber  to  Alaska mills  as  well as  to                                                               
transport timber to foreign countries.   Additionally, the MSB is                                                               
working on  staging for the  potential the proposed  gas pipeline                                                               
will have  on the  rail and port.   Further,  with infrastructure                                                               
for the  proposed Susitna-Watana dam  the MSB believes  that Port                                                               
Makenzie represents the key to future development in Alaska.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MOOSEY turned  to the  slide  entitled, "Project  Forwarding                                                               
Lessee,"  and  indicated  that WestPac  Terminals  LLC  has  been                                                               
reconfigured with new  partners.  The company  has been providing                                                               
service deliveries on  a monthly basis during the  summer and has                                                               
contracted  with  a major  oil  company  to  bring in  cargo  and                                                               
provide   logistics.     The   next   slide  entitled,   "Mineral                                                               
Development," emphasizes that the port is  set to be an asset for                                                               
Ambler mining.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MOOSEY, referring  to the  next two  slides [untitled].   He                                                               
offered his belief that  resource development opportunities exist                                                               
along the rail line, and while  not all the mines will come under                                                               
development.     He  said  that   Port  MacKenzie  will   have  a                                                               
significant  impact on  balancing the  state revenue  as projects                                                               
come on  line.   He listed  groups that have  sent in  letters of                                                               
support for the  project.  The next slide  entitled, "Companies &                                                               
Freight on Port  Makenzie Rail," lists eight  companies that have                                                               
expressed  an  interest  in  using the  services  once  the  Port                                                               
MacKenzie Rail Extension project  is completed, including WestPac                                                               
Logistics, and Great Bear Petroleum.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:39:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOE  PERKINS, Project  Manager,  Port  MacKenzie Rail  Extension,                                                               
Matanuska-Susitna  Borough (MSB),  provided  a  status report  on                                                               
construction and  appropriation expenditures  for the  past seven                                                               
years.   He referred to a  map that depicts the  30-plus miles of                                                               
the  Port MacKenzie  Rail Extension  Project,  beginning at  Port                                                               
MacKenzie. The  project is  broken up  into eight  segments, with                                                               
the first six segments encompassing  the embankment necessary for                                                               
the  rail,  and Segments  7  and  8  placing material  under  the                                                               
railroad ties,  installing ties,  laying rail, and  finishing the                                                               
project.  He offered to expand  on Segment 6 in more detail later                                                               
in the presentation.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:40:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERKINS  turned to Segment  1, which contains the  rail loop,                                                               
with the fuel storage on right  hand side of the loop [located on                                                               
the lower right hand side of the  map.  He reported that the fuel                                                               
storage  area  has been  constructed,  which  will be  used  this                                                               
summer.   The Segment 1  embankment construction and the  loop is                                                               
approximately 80 percent complete,  consisting of one bridge, and                                                               
an underpass.  Segment 2 has  not been  started and the  MSB will                                                               
request additional funding for embankment construction.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:41:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERKINS turned  to Segment  3, which  encompasses nearly  80                                                               
miles is approximately 80 percent  complete and encompasses three                                                               
bridges.    He  reported  that  Segment 4  work  has  just  begun                                                               
consisting of clearing and applying the  first layer of fill.  He                                                               
estimated   Segment  4   as  being   10  percent   complete,  but                                                               
substantial work will  occur this summer.  He  offered to discuss                                                               
Segment 5  and the funding  request later.  He  described Segment                                                               
6, which  will tie  in to  the main line  of the  Alaska railroad                                                               
creates   a  "Y"   split  to   allow   travel  both   directions.                                                               
Additionally,  a new  siding  will be  constructed  to allow  the                                                               
railroad the ability  to park a train.  The  Alaska railroad will                                                               
lay  Segment 6  track  this  winter, which  is  about 15  percent                                                               
completed.   He  highlighted that  this  is being  done to  allow                                                               
track and ties to be available  for the contractor for Segments 7                                                               
and  8.   He recapped  by saying  that provides  an overview  and                                                               
construction is well underway.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:43:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERKINS  highlighted that the  duplicate aerial photo  of the                                                               
project   shows  the   proximity  to   the  fuel   storage  area.                                                               
Significant  work  has  happened   such  that  approximately  500                                                               
million yards have  been moved to date.  Referring  to the map he                                                               
pointed out various  details, including the "Y",  the main Alaska                                                               
railroad line,  and the adjacent  siding.  He emphasized  the new                                                               
bridge  that  will  cross  the Little  Susitna  River,  which  is                                                               
approximately 95  percent completed allowing the  Alaska railroad                                                               
will repurpose the old bridge for the siding.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:46:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERKINS,  referring to the  slide entitled "JOBS,"  said that                                                               
the project created nearly 200 jobs  at peak of last season, with                                                               
the vast  majority consisted of  operating engineers.   Referring                                                               
to the  appropriations, he indicated  that $171 million  has been                                                               
appropriated by  the state  in addition  to a  general obligation                                                               
bond [for $30 million].                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERKINS  detailed the six  separate appropriations  listed on                                                               
the  slide entitled  "Project funding  over  time."   In 2013,  a                                                               
general obligation bond was issued  for $30 million; in 2014, the                                                               
state  appropriated  $25  million;  and   in  FY  2015,  the  MSB                                                               
requested $60  million to complete  Segment 2, Segment 5,  and to                                                               
purchase  track -  by taking  advantage of  current lower  market                                                               
prices for rail.  An  additional appropriation request in FY 2016                                                               
would  result in  completion by  2018.   He  emphasized that  the                                                               
project completion is dependent on funding.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERKINS  showed a  series of aerial  photographs of  the full                                                               
length of  the proposed Port  MacKenzie Rail Extension  that were                                                               
color  coded  to  depict  the  segments  and  portions  currently                                                               
funded,  funded  by  the  GO   bond,  and  ones  still  requiring                                                               
appropriations totaling $101.5 million  necessary to complete the                                                               
project.    He  related  that some  members  attended  a  ground-                                                               
breaking ceremony  on June  4, 2013.   Finally, he  reported that                                                               
commitments have  been made for  the funds appropriated  thus far                                                               
and request $60 million this year.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:48:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MOOSEY added  that noted the project has  faced four separate                                                               
challenges in  the 9th Circuit Court  of Appeals.  Thus  far, the                                                               
Port MacKenzie  Rail Extension project  has prevailed  each time.                                                               
He related  the court agreed with  the environmental protections,                                                               
consisting of 8 bridges, over  100 culverts and numerous wildlife                                                               
and  recreational  passages.    He  reported  that  although  one                                                               
challenge remains, the focus will  be likely center on additional                                                               
protection  of wildlife  or  setting  aside additional  property,                                                               
which the  MSB is prepared  to do.   He lauded the  efforts taken                                                               
from  the beginning  on the  project to  provide protections  for                                                               
resources and pursue resource and economic development.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:50:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  FAIRCLOUGH,  referring  to Mr.  Perkins  initial  slide,                                                               
asked about  the ownership of  the extension.  She  further asked                                                               
whether PTC train  controls have been appropriately  placed or if                                                               
it will result in new expenses.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERKINS  responded that  he also had  inquired as  to whether                                                               
the  PTC's will  be implemented  and  he understood  the ARRC  to                                                               
respond that project would not be  subject to PTC since there are                                                               
not any passengers being transported.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  FAIRCLOUGH related  her understanding  that the  federal                                                               
agency  views the  ARRC  as  a system,  although  she was  unsure                                                               
whether any pieces  could be excluded.  She pointed  out that the                                                               
rail  would also  affect  any passengers  or  pedestrians on  the                                                               
tracks.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:52:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. REILLY explained  that the project is considered  part of the                                                               
"dark" portion,  except for the portion  at the "Y" so  one radio                                                               
will initialize the PTC at the  loop.  She clarified the PTC will                                                               
be  run on  it, but  the  costs will  be  low since  it will  not                                                               
require any switches.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERKINS  understood the PTC  portion is not in  this project,                                                               
but falls under the PTC.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FAIRCLOUGH  wondered if the PTC  costs will be on  top of                                                               
the $101  million request, the  $70 million request, and  the $60                                                               
million for the two combined projects.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:53:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MOOSEY,   in  answer  to   the  first  portion   of  Senator                                                               
Fairclough's  question, reported  that prior  to full  completion                                                               
the Port MacKenzie Rail Extension  project will be turned over to                                                               
the control of the Alaska Railroad Corporation.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:53:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERKINS  advised  the  Matanuska-Susitna  Borough  (MSB)  is                                                               
acquiring all of  the right-of-way for the project.   The portion                                                               
of  the project  needed for  railroad's operational  use will  be                                                               
transferred to  the Alaska Railroad Corporation  via a Memorandum                                                               
of Understanding  (MOU).  Any  excess property not needed  by the                                                               
railroad needs to operate will  remain property of the Matanuska-                                                               
Susitna Borough (MSB).                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:54:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE said  he looks forward to project.   He said                                                               
he  would characterize  many of  the potential  customers on  the                                                               
aforementioned list as being "dreams" at  this stage - not to say                                                               
that the  projects couldn't happen.   He offered his  belief that                                                               
this  construction  project  is  based  on  a  matter  of  faith.                                                               
However, the  organization needs to  be careful when  touting its                                                               
success  in transporting  scrap  steel; since,  what the  project                                                               
will need  to become cost effective  will be "day after  day" and                                                               
"year after year" operations with  a continuous stream of revenue                                                               
to  justify  the  total  project  expense.    He  asked  for  the                                                               
additional costs as a result of  the court challenges:  the total                                                               
cost and  subsequent defense costs  for the  Environmental Impact                                                               
Statement (EIS).                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERKINS  was  uncertain  of  the total  cost  of  any  court                                                               
challenges.  He reported that  the state's district court case is                                                               
anticipated to go to trial in  August or September.  He estimated                                                               
the total would fall in the  ballpark of $10-15 million for total                                                               
legal fees,  given the stop  work order  by 9th Circuit  Court of                                                               
Appeals, although  the project  had to pay  its contractors.   He                                                               
reiterated  an   estimated  $10-15  million  in   costs  will  be                                                               
associated with the court cases.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:57:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE,  with  respect to  the  specifications  at                                                               
port, noted that "bigger is better"  when moving cargo.  He asked                                                               
for the  largest size  container vessel, in  terms of  length and                                                               
draft that the port can accommodate.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. MOOSEY  was unsure, but  he responded that about  three years                                                               
ago a  vessel transported coal.   The low  mean tide is  45 feet,                                                               
and the  port is a  self-scouring port,  except for a  rocky area                                                               
will need to be scraped.   Currently the port has a $50,000 study                                                               
to  explore the  aforementioned scraping.   In  closing, he  said                                                               
that  Port MacKenzie  is in  a  good location  and can  transport                                                               
goods economically.  Certainly, he  agreed that bigger ships make                                                               
sense due to the additional volume.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:59:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTIS  said she was  lucky enough to take  a tour                                                               
of the  Panamax ship.  She  recalled it is the  maximum size that                                                               
can travel via  the Panama Canal.  She spoke  favorably about the                                                               
staff and the Port MacKenzie Rail Extension project.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:01:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business  before the committees, the joint                                                               
meeting  of   the  House   and  Senate   Transportation  Standing                                                               
Committees was adjourned at 3:01 p.m.                                                                                           

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Pt. MacKenzie Rail Trans Comm..pdf HTRA 1/28/2014 1:00:00 PM
2014 House Senate Trans Comm Railroad- Final.pdf HTRA 1/28/2014 1:00:00 PM
ARRC Mega Project Report 1-20-14.pdf HTRA 1/28/2014 1:00:00 PM
ARRC 1-15-2014 NRE Quarterly Report - Final.pdf HTRA 1/28/2014 1:00:00 PM
ARRC PTC Quarterly Report - Jan 2014 - Final.pdf HTRA 1/28/2014 1:00:00 PM